The Worst Thing I Ever Did to My Child Was Send Him to Public School
Aug30
I know, “How could I?” I’m still asking myself the same thing. You go through life thinking something is bad, but you really don’t grasp the concept fully until you experience it on a personal level. Public school is a perfect example. I spent the first couple of years in school sitting in the hall because I talked too much. My teachers couldn’t figure out that I was bored. Once I learned to sit still and wait for the rest of the class to finish their work, things got a little better. By third grade, I was doing extra book reports to occupy myself and things got even better… at least until Trig and Analytical Geometry when I got a teacher who didn’t feel like teaching anymore and told us to figure it out on our own.
Before I had my son, I heard a teacher say once, ” I don’t care what my students learn, I just need them to pass the tests”. I vowed to never send a child of mine to public school. Then we had our son, we enrolled him in Montessori and everything was going fine… until the economy tanked, I had to go back to work, and I couldn’t find a job. This summer, we made the difficult decision to send our son to public school. Never mind that it wouldn’t be an issue if we weren’t paying for a public school system through confiscatory taxes, that we had never used – or cared to. No use crying over spilt milk. So I signed up to volunteer and joined the PTA hoping it would be okay if I got involved.
That delusion lasted three days, until my son came home complaining that they don’t teach at this school. It turns out, the kids aren’t allowed to talk except during recess. So, when he asked for clarification on his worksheets, my son was told to “Just sit down and fill them out”. He complained to me that the work was stupid and boring. I thought maybe it was just an issue of learning a new way of working. When his work came home the first Friday, I saw what he meant. The work he was being given in his first grade class was preschool level. I had taken a child who was learning to do fractions and multiplication and put him in a class where he was being asked to do simple addition and to ‘circle the fourth dolphin in the group’. No wonder he was upset.
So, long story short, I sent the teacher an email asking how I could help. I wondered if it would be possible to send him home school materials to supplement the class work when he was finished and waiting for the next worksheet. ( I know you’re asking why I didn’t home school. It’s because he’s an only child and I want him to interact with other children. Plus, having to go back to work makes it nearly impossible.) I was informed that he was unable to do the work. I’ll be the first to admit that my son is stubborn and didn’t want to do the preschool work because it was ‘boring’. However, the teacher’s assesment was simply that he was unable to do the work. A student in her class couldn’t possibly be bored.
Why, do you ask, am I being so hard on her? The answer is simple. She lacked any observational skills, which ought to be a prerequisite for teaching. And, you’re going to love this, every piece of correspondence she sent me contained a spelling or grammatical error. I guess she couldn’t even be bothered to use the spell check on her email program.
The problems with public school are many and simple to assess. The main issue is the lesson plan. The problem isn’t with the plan itself, so much as the necessity to adhere to it rigidly in order to ensure equality of outcome. There is no room for children to excel in one subject and simultaneously receive help where they need it. They are all expected to do the same work, in the same way, at the same rate. Moving up a grade is frowned upon. The concept of the individual is frowned upon. Supplies are now considered communal property and are turned in to the teacher for distribution to the class as a whole during assignments only. This is done under the pretense of helping the teacher eliminate distractions and ensure that everyone has supplies. My son, however, made sure I knew that they were not allowing him to be responsible for himself. A child is perfectly capable of keeping track of a pencil, a glue stick and a pair of scissors. The real message here is that you should look to the government for the things you need so we can all be equal.
Needless to say, I finally found a job, I am volunteering at the Montessoru school in exchange for tuition reduction and my son is back where he belongs. The difference between public and private schools is simple. Private school teachers actually care about the students and what they are learning. There are exceptions on both sides, to be sure. However, we all know public education is less about education than it is about moulding good citizens.
Things you should read in case you think I am not being objective:
Race Based Punishment in Public Schools
H.L. Mencken on Public Schools
Education in the United States
John Dewey’s Philosophy on Education
This article was written for AnyStreet
Me and My Bad Attitude: Layer One
Aug28
I am currently working on a self-portrait for a show at the Tannery Row Artist Colony in Buford, Georgia. The title of the show is The Music in Me and the format is square, as if we are designing album covers. Those of you who are familiar with my Liberty paintings will have some idea of where this painting is going. Because I work in so many layers, I have decided to start documenting each step in my paintings. While the details show through subsequent layers, it is often difficult to capture them in photographs, mostly because I am photographically challenged.
Here is the first step below showing the filigree that is often the first layer in one of my paintings. The gray menace in the background, scowling with disdain, is my husband’s cat Odin. He fancies himself a studio cat and loves to lounge on my work table, tossing my mixed media components to the floor with malicious glee. At seven, he is finally calming down, but he still enjoys making a mess.

This article will also be posted at Liberatchik.
Please Welcome Alexis Estupinan-Arche to Liberatchik
Aug27
| Here are some images from one of our newest artists.
1) “Olive’s field with clay’s pots”– Oil– 2002 .
2)“Quiet river” (Cuba landscape) –Acrylic– 2002 Spain shipped the Olive Oil in those pots. They are very typical in Camaguey province. It’s like the trademark for Camaguey
Alexis also has a gallery on FaceBook to share some of her painting classes with Deisy Riera. Please check it out here.
This article was written for Liberatchik.
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A Salute to Vietnam Veterans
Aug22
August 16, 2010

Thirty five years ago, Vietnam Veterans returned home from an unpopular war without the respect that our nation and our citizens afford those men and women returning today from Iraq and Afghanistan.
American Veterans, regardless of where they fight, risk their lives for the people of the United States. So, why have many Vietnam Veterans been treated disrespectfully, or with disregard? The politics of the Vietnam Conflict were beyond the responsibility of soldiers, nurses and countless others who served their country in Vietnam.
Although we can not change the past, what we can do is honor the brave men and women that defended our freedom today!
Heartland Chambers Alliance Announces Plan for Vietnam Veterans Welcome Home Celebration
August 2010 will bring a monumental and historical event to the Heartland of Kentucky, thanks to a joint effort between the Chambers of Commerce in Hardin County and the leadership of Fort Knox. Today, the Heartland Chambers Alliance announces an exciting celebration leading up to the 2010 Heartland Festival.
Thank You From The Heartland-A Salute to Vietnam Veterans will take place August 26-29 and the Heartland Chambers Alliance is proud and thrilled to coordinate this long overdue recognition for Vietnam veterans and their families.
Click Here For More Information or to Register a Vietnam Veteran
Vets suspect Agent Orange dangers passed down to kids
Bobbie and Philip Morris have never heard their daughter speak.
Born with diseases that baffled her doctors, Dara Rae Morris has lived for 37 years in silence. Mentally and physically challenged, she has three leaks in her heart.
“She doesn’t say ‘I love you’ or ‘Mom and Dad,’ but she knows …” Bobbie Morris said, her voice trailing off.
Dara Rae Morris spent the first 15 years of her life mostly hospitalized, undergoing open heart surgery and other procedures. During a hospital visit last fall, doctors found more leaks in her heart and told her parents they believe that fixing them would be too much for her to endure.
Despite War Wounds, 3 US Vets Climb Kilimanjaro
Three U.S. war veterans who lost their legs in Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq, have hiked, crawled and clawed their way to the summit of Mount Kilimanjaro atop five prosthetic legs and only one good leg among them.
The trio took six days to climb Africa’s tallest mountain, 19,340 feet high, as part of the Warfighter Sports Challenge, a series of extreme sports events for permanently disabled veterans. They topped Kilimanjaro in Tanzania over the weekend and scrambled down — what some call the toughest part, especially on prosthetics — on Wednesday.
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The Declaration of Independence
Aug20
I have a couple copies in my purse to hand out, so I thought I’d post the text here for purposes of reference pamphleting, etc.
Thanks for the material go to USHistory.org
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
Visionary Reflections: Studies in Aesthetics
Aug13
My friends in the Buford Artists’ Group are organizing our next show. Here is a list of our participating artists:
1. Anita Stewart: Instructor/owner of Anita’s Artscool in Buford, GA; Mixed Media & Acrylics
2. Beth Arnold: Retired Teacher,; specializes in Acrylic and Watercolor landscapes
3. Beth Stokes Clinton: Specializes in landscapes in Oil based on her travels including France and China.
4. Carol Luttenberg: Signature Watercolor artist, originally from PA; now experimenting with colored inks and liquid watercolor on Yupo
5. Dolly Alexander: Originally from Texas, specializes in dry pastels. She is known as “The Cloud Lady” for her unique rendition of clouds
6. Frances Byrd: Political activist and social conscience. Works in Acrylics. SCAD graduate and visionary artwork
7. Howard Wilemon: Retired Engineer. Very distinctive style. Paints in Acrylics.
8. Judith Surowiec: Paints very colorful and surrealistic scenes in acrylics. Studio at Tannery Row Artist Colony in Buford, GA
9. June Gotthardt: Paints landscape scenery of North Carolina mountain region.
10. Lois Colborn: Self taught Visual Artist. Specializes with watercolor on Yupo which feature still life, abstract, or landscape as well as her own “Tiffany” look.
11. Lucy Brady: Paints in Watercolor and specializes in landscapes from National State Parks. Also House portraits
12. Rosemary Benavides Williams: Originally from MA, Watercolor Instructor at the Sugar Hill Community Center
More details will be posted as they develop. The show is currently scheduled for October 13 – February 23, 2011. The venue is the George Pierce Park Community Center in Suwannee, Georgia. I am planning to submit work from the Patriot Pony Project.
A Farewell to Alms
Aug8
By Stan Transue
Confusion does reign in Liberals’ brains
It makes them defenseless and weak
Whenever I deign to try to explain
They rebuff the wisdom they seek
They’re led by emotion, envy and greed
To sanction their brutal desires
The warnings of prudence they never heed
While stoking the class-envy fires
They claim that our rights are subject to need
While increasing their needy-ones list
They chastise those on whose labors they feed
But upon whose support they insist
They rally the poor, the ignorant masses
By saying they can live off the rich
To keep them all resting on their lazy asses
They use the same old bait and switch
In the depths of despair they call on the able
To remedy their faulty schemes
Then blame their saviors for their empty table
While maintaining impossible dreams
To the ghost of society they hold us in debt
For the good of this ghost they all strive
To steal all the money they’ve not stolen yet
To enslave us like drones to the hive
At the pinnacle of this crazy pyramid scheme
Rests the spirit of cannibalism
Our blood is to buy their utopian dream
Our bones ground to feed Communism
To restore the blessings of liberty’s vision
And stop our demise in its tracks
Expose the charade that they have permission
And give all these looters the sack
When two thousand ten comes rolling along
Your ballot can express what’s desired
Open your throat and sing freedom’s song
Tell Congress that they are all fired.
Stan’s work is available at the Habersham County Conservative Examiner and at The American Exile
This Poem was also posted at Liberatchik
Georgia’s 7th District Run-Off Election on 8/10
Aug6
I usually don’t spend much time advocating on behalf of candidates. I spend entirely too much of my time researching bills, tracking voting records, attending debates and rallies and writing letters to my representatives to want to spend any time promoting one particular candidate. However, I have become increasingly disgusted with the good ole boy attitude of the Georgia Republican party. I am also tired of the way my friends and neighbors continue to vote along establishment lines, knowing that their guy is part of the problem. I always hear mumbled excuses about the lesser of two evils and being better than the Democrats. Frankly, that’s not good enough and it’s time to make some changes.
I attended a debate on Monday for the two candidates in the run-off to replace John Linder in the House. Mr. Linder was a good candidate for many years. However, the last couple of years he, or his office (I realize he doesn’t actually respond to letters himself), got the attitude that he didn’t need to answer to his constituents on issues of policy and his voting record. I started getting peevish responses to my inquiries that were not in keeping with a public servant set on doing their job.
The reason I bring this up is because his right hand man, Rob Woodall, is running for the seat. His opponent is Jody Hice, who has never held public office before. Some would argue, and have, that we need someone ready to get to work on day one. Others, like me, want to see a candidate who respects the people voting for him and who understands the job they are being given. Therefor, I am posting the questions that were given in the debate and the candidates’ responses.I had originally intended to give my opinion of the proceedings as well, but will refrain from clouding your judgement with my emotional reactions to those present. I was not able to stay for the entire debate, but am sure there is a transcript available for anyone who is interested in digging deeper. I have included my notes and thoughts below in a summary of the debate.
Opening statements
Woodall: “Because I served Linder, I already have a platform in place. I am hoping for Republican control of Cogress after the fall elections because Democrat control is the current problem. I am set up to work from day one.”
Hice: “My goals would be to focus on the economy, reign in government attacks on free enterprise, reign in spending and bailouts, and focus on unemployement.”
1. What Congressional Committee is of interest to you, and how would it benefit Georgians?
Woodall: “I hope to have the honor of serving in Congress with Tom Price. The Rules Committe would be my choice because they see every piece of legislation that passes through Congress. I will vote to allow minority ammendments to be heard and fight abuse of powers.”
Hice: “I would make it my mission to fight beaurocracy, oppose economic restrictions and push for the Fair Tax.”
2. Question two delt with a battle between Georgia, Alabama, and Florida over water rights and likely holds little interest for a national audience beyond issues of states’ rights.
3. Do you approve of federal aid going to discounted lunch qualifiers?
Woodall: “Government should not be in the business of education. Georgia could lead the nation to abolish federal involvement in education by getting private investment in education through grants. I would like to see more privately funded grants for education as well as non-regulated federal grants.”
Hice: “I believe the department of education should be abolished. Control of education needs to be rreturned to the local level.”
4. Would you support public funding for private and home schooling?
Hice: “I support school choice. As a parent of homeschooled children, I understand the burden of parents paying for a system they don’t use. I oppose any tax money going to education, but under the current system, school choice is the best option.”
Woodall: “Private school is not the enemy of public education, but is rather, analternative and should be on equal ground. Gwinnett County’s resources are second to none. Each choice is a viable alternative that should be left up to the parents. Competition will improve the system.”
5. Georgia’s support and funding for transportation is inefficient. What are your solutions?
Woodall: “Government is not moving too slow in funding, they are taking too much of our gas taxes. I would fight to increase funding to Georgia from gas tax revenues rather than converting them to federal dollars. This money is being mixed into the pot in DC where there is no accountability or transparency.”
Hice: “The DOT is a wasteful department. The gas tax is a redistribution of wealth. I would fight to keep the revunue raised by gas taxes in the state. A reduction in gas taxes would reduce te cost of gas and local management would be more efficient.”
6. Do you support establishing a Gwinnett rail system?
Hice: “This is not a decision to be made in DC. This issue should be decided locally and the funding should come from the local level.”
Woodall: “I agree that the funding should be local. However, there is no self-sustaining mass transit system in opperation. Therefore, it would require funding through taxes. I like the rail system in the northeast and the research has already been done to determine feasability here in Gwinnett.”
7. What is your stance on the Arizona immigration bill? Do you support similar legislation in Georgia?
Woodall: “I do not support a GA law like Arizona’s because the federal government should be paying for it. We have to push the feds to address the issue. We should only support Arizona’s law as a last resort because I feel the feds are better able to address the issue.”
Hice: “I support the adoption of a Georgia immigration bill because the feds are not willing to enforce the law on the books. THe rights and safety of the American people are being compromised by lack of federal responsibility. There should be no amnesty, no economic rewards for illegal immigration, sanctuary cities should be defunded, and birthright citizenship should be ended.”
8. Republicans run on fiscal responsibility, but fail inpractice. Are you a strong fiscal conservative, and how would you address the debt?
Hice: “I oppose irresponsible spending. I support the Fair Tax, but realize we would need to abolish the IRS and repeal the income tax. This requires a Constitutional Ammendment. I also support slashing the corporate tax rate. I oppose the stimulous, the bailouts, and cap and trade. I would fight to repeal the programs in place and to prevent those being proposed. I support energy independence through national resources.”
Woodall: “In ‘94, Gingrich spearheaded a revolution, split the government and achieved the highest level of reform. The deficit started with Bush. Representative Linder opposed all of the irresponsible funding under several administrations by both parties. I would fight to repeal TARP and the stimulous and apply those funds to the deficit. We can lead an entitlement discussion on Medicare and Social Security to reform the system.”
9. Should Congress add a consumption tax?
Woodall: “No. The Fair Tax should replace the IRS. Taxes drain the economy and I am prepared to fight the VAT>”
Hice: “Comprehensive tax reform is necessary, but will not happen over night. The current system is damaging the economy. We need to fight to build support for the Fair Tax within and without the federal government. We need to simultaneously reduce spending and entitlement programs.”
10. What is your stand on the Fair Tax.
Hice: “I support the Fair Tax and want to address reform of the current system. I would fight to reduce spending while fighting for the Fair Tax, because it will not pass over night.”
Woodall: “I am the only person running in the U.S. who can push for the Fair Tax.”
11. The 7th district is at the heart of the push for biodiversity in Georgia and the Innovation Crescent. How would you support this innitiative?
Woodall: “We have to support legislation that helps Georgia. It should not come from the federal level. I will work with state and private sources to create this platform in Georgia.”
Hice: “I like the innovation and fuel solutions. However, some of these companies also engage in research with cloning and stem cell programs. I do not support funding for such programs. The Innovation Crescent is an idea that needs to be discussed locally through free market solutions to reduce dependency on the feds for sustainability.”
12. What would you do at a national level to create jobs?
Hice: “The government does not create jobs. I would fight to reduce regulations, taxes and unequal funding. I would support economic liberty and local solutions.”
Woodall: “The challenge is to reduce the federal government to its Constitutional mandates. The government is hindering our ability to succeed.”
This review is also posted at Anystreet and ModernConservative.
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